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why dont we do this
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what is this anon
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>>10404
the spring stores potential energy which is connected to the engine which makes car move
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>>10405
How will it be re-tensioned? How would one re-tension it while on the road? What if it goes loose and skewers the vehicle ahead of yours (Answer: That would be awesome)? This is not efficient nor safe nor practical and probably not even viable at our current stage of advancement in material science.
>>10406
hmm, would running the engine backwards work? i don't know how this shit works that much
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>>10405
Low energy density is likely to be the problem. Maybe?
>>10406
At a retensioning station.
Yeah this shit's retarded let's make it big by 2027.
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>>10408
>this shits retarded
>lets make it big
top kek
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>>10406
we need an animation of this happening
We - yes, all of us - will be financing our Spring Cars with the Trump midterms stimmy and Hawk Tuah Coin
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>>10411
this really a trump tier idea? damn...
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>>10403 (OP) 
Oh you know what tech used springs to store energy? Clocks. Including those you'd wear on your wrist. That was before the time when everyone threw theirs away in favor of smart watches, so that they would always be connected to the rest of the drone hive. 

What's even funnier is that the boomer generation used to have wind up cars as toys, a concept lost on zoomers who grew up in a battery-powered world.
To answer your question, you could calculate the overall potential energy stored by a spring using a mathematical formula that will probably involve the total length of the spring and its elasticity. Or you could just look up those old toys, see for yourself how far they go when wound up and compare them to the range of the similarly sized modern rc toy cars running on batteries. It's not even close. As mentioned above, the energy density is pretty bad.

Also, I wonder what a car crash would do to those. Gasoline and especially diesel is not as explosive as movies would lead you to believe. EV battery fires are pretty much impossible to douse but at least they don't explode. But tighly wound up springs flying all over the place? Sounds scary.

>>10407
That's the easy part, the same way it works with regular cars. An ICE engine doesn't just start spinning the shaft in a different direction when you put it in reverse. It keeps on chugging. It is the transmission that connects a different gear when you shift, driving the shafts in one direction or another.
>>10403 (OP) 
TECHNICALLY it works assuming you wind the spring back using some electrical system basically making this an electric car but you just swapped the battery. Only issue is I doubt you can store as much energy in a spring as you could a battery of the same size.
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>>10415
>Only issue is I doubt you can store as much energy in a spring as you could a battery of the same size.
It wouldn't even be close. Just looking at any spring-powered toys vs battery powered toys is proof enough. Chemical batteries mogged decades ago, but with the scientific advances driven by EVs and gadgets modern ones are even more potent.

> using some electrical system 
Akshuly electricity is not the only force capable of doing the deed, so it wouldn't be an electric car if you wind it by hooking it directly to the turbine of an nuclear power plant, and by that logic it would be a nuclear-powered car! Or a steam powered one depending on how you look at it

Seriously though barring a few conspiracy theory tier legends like Tesla conjuring electric current straight from aether or those engines using water as fuel that no one has actually seen work but whose inventors died under mysterious circumstances, the only viable options for cars is fossil fuels or electricity (produced either using same fossil fuels or through devices created using, again, fossil fuels).
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Get on my level.
>>10417
I do believe green energy is important actually. Not for le environment but simply because it allows us to get more out of fossil fuels. If green energy saves 20% of fossil fuels a year that’s a lot we can use later or sell.
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>>10420
Imo for all the waste lithium production leaves behind, solar is amazing for countries that see plenty of sun. Decentralized electricity means less dependency on the government and the infrastructure it maintains. Installed a few of these panels too, but cool as they are they just don't work that well this far north so they are more of a backup for shtf. In summer sure, they produce plenty of power. On sunny days you don't even really need the grid at all. However as soon as it gets heavily overcast the output drops to like 1/20th of the nominal value so to get through winter without rationing those you need maybe your house's footprint's worth of panels.

Not sure about wind turbines. They probably work well in, like, coastal regions that see plenty of breeze, but again the amount of electricity required to produce aluminium is quite high and the blades are apparently discarded after use (idk why they won't just cut them up into fences for cattle or something). Over here wind power is even more whimsical than solar. 

As far as centralized infrastructure goes, nuclear is still the best, and if/when controlled fusion technology is achieved (what was the saying again? "Controlled fusion has been 10 years away since 30 years ago"?) it's could be all we ever need.
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>>10421
You know, my city used to have a trolley, yes a trolley, like, on a rail, before the conservatives had it removed because muh cost muh crime. Cities and states could do all sorts of really cool stuff if they wanted to
>>10420
>green energy is important actually
This makes me think of a comic book supervillain shooting sinister green electric death rays out of his fingertips.

>>10421
What happens to the power output of solar panels in winter when they're covered with snow?  I think this is a technology with potential but maybe it's kind of oversold currently, ya know?  In the desert with clear skies and tropical sun I am sure they work much better most of the year but not everyone lives in Arizona.

>>10422
CLANG CLANG CLANG GOES THE TROLLEY
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>>10421
>Not sure about wind turbines. Probably work well in coastal regions.

More like out at sea (like the installations in England known as the Hornsea 2 and many others), but wind turbines can have a great place in flat plains like Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and South Datoka as those are the major states that are in the well known "Tornado Alley".

Although there might be a BIG underlying problem if the tornado just. Bulldozes through the turbine farm and starts chucking 40-50 foot long chunks around.
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>>10422
America? Their city-planning policies of mid-century are an internationally known blunder. and apparently most places thus ruined haven't recovered since. Thankfully not every city has had the same bright idea to tear down imposing, gorgeous buildings in favor of parking lots, pave over parks and turn streets into broad highways with multi-layer overpasses only to make the situation worse. 
Apparently one can see the stark difference by comparing the sister towns of Niagara Falls USA and Niagara Falls CA.

Public transport obviously does not ferment crime. That comes from the inhabitants, their socioeconomic status and upbringing.

>>10423
>What happens to the power output of solar panels in winter when they're covered with snow?
Nothing good I bet. That's why panels are to be cleaned. It's also why they are usually mounted at an angle. I hung mine vertically on a SW-facing wall that also happens to be on the side of the plot that is seldom seen so they don't ruin the view. That way they  work better in winter, since in December the sun barely rises above the horizon line.
When time comes to redo the roof I'll probably put a whole bunch of those on it too, unless the government will have started taxing those by then. 

> I think this is a technology with potential but maybe it's kind of oversold currently, ya know?  
It's great for any place that gets plenty of sun. Coincidentally, almost half of humanity lives in the tropics so they can make use of it. 
>In the desert with clear skies and tropical sun I am sure they work much better most of the year but not everyone lives in Arizona.
That's more or less what I was getting at in the previous post, indeed. Living way north of the mainland US, they are not nearly as efficient. But since the local infrastructure is being sabotaged by all the "optimizations" that leave maintenance crews understaffed, storms and blizzards have been resulting in ever longer power outages. In this scenario, having a set of batteries and solar panels for riding it out short term and a gas generator for when the outage lasts a few days and the weather isn't favorable, is merited imo. The two systems also work alright in tandem, so while the waveform the cheap gas generator outputs is clearly garbage, thankfully the (even cheaper) inverter still accepts it if you toggle a particular option in its menu. 

Basically with solar you can make do without relying on your incompetent government for power if you have enough panels. 
In certain sunny countries that also charge an arm and a leg for electricity, it's also economically solid to invest into solar as you break even in a few years.
>>10424
>out at sea
Don't know much about what influences these decisions but during travels I have come across a wind farm in the arctic. It was 40ish km inland and seemed to be having no shortage of wind, at least that day. Even on ground level it was a consistent fresh or maybe strong breeze.
It is difficult to imagine how destructive these tornadoes are without seeing one firsthand, I suppose. While uncommon, they are not unheard of in Europe and seldom cause any noticeable damage.  Looking at the wiki page that lists tornados in Europe, they had like 40 entries for the first decade of this century, then almost twice as much for the second, and in the third we've already reached the same number with 3 more years to go. I wonder if it's the climate that is changing - or the diligence of the wiki editors.

Either way, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle and those fabled tornadoes are more wicked and frequent than the ones in the Old World but at least some of their impact can be mitigated through better building practices. But to put a turbine, which is literally designed to react to wind, in such an area? Probably unreasonably risky. And even if it's not outright destroyed, winds too high may damage it to the point where safety standards would dictate a refurbishment or a teardown.
Probably more viable to just put it somewhere with weaker but more stable winds.
>>10422
turning america into a third world country to own the libs since forever
I'm soo glad southerners got their cities burned down and the nyaggers unleashed on them as punishment for this
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>>10450
American politics atp feels like:
>Do you want to cut off an arm or do you want to cut off a leg?
And either your a bad person for pointing out both these choices suck or someone says:
<Yea neither of those work so we should cut out the heart!
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>>10453
What have the Dems done that's in anyway comparable to what the Republicans are doing now?
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>>10564
Letting in 6 gorillion punjabs and Somalis.
>>10564
they let in pablo or some shit, trust the plan anon patriots are in control
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