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It's hysterical seeing the slew of vibecoded creative cloud bootlegs popping up by the dozen each day to the dismay of Jewdobe. Even more ironic is that they somehow lack the predatory aspects of the real product.

I really fucking hope this is the beginning of the end for Silicon Valley, because it's well deserved. And if not, I hope it still dealt a massive punch to their gut.
>vibecoded X app will kill adobe this time
nothing will happen
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>>10606
Yeah, maybe it won't. But seeing the same AI tools tech corpos have been forcing for years now screw  them over back is pretty funny.
>>10603 (OP) 
lowkirk adobe has nothing unique that you cant do with FOSS software
krita is a suitable replacement for photoshop as a drawing program, darktable for photo editing, pdfs get libredraw for edit, librewolf for viewing. 
the only people still using adobe for anything are retarded old people who are too set in their ways to jump to free software
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>>10603 (OP) 
It's pretty cool to see, really hoping the devs won't drop the thing. The initial progress has been astounding. As long as they can fill in the blanks it could be a potent suite.
Would have loved to also add that this will hopefully spur Adobe into fixing their shit but honestly the only way their leadership seems to know how to make numbers go up is increase monetization.

Tried a few of these so far and they load fast, the UI is familiar enough, file formats are supported. There are still issues (for one, the photos in Lightroom all come out with a green tint for me, and lens profiles can't be applied) that need fixing but as long as the codebase is maintainable and they don't end up in a vibecode hell it should be ready for general use soon.


>>10606
Yea no even though the company is too big to fail the chickens are coming home to roost. 
They have already been wounded by Figma (that they failed to acquire and dismantle due to the anti-monopoly policy working for once iirc).
Their subscription models have initially caused their revenue to skyrocket but are slumping now, they're back to 2018 levels despite the potential that could have been unlocked by forcing AI into every app.
The EU is heavily promoting Linux for government institutions whereas Adobe refuses to develop a Linux version, but this slop suite does have one.
The collective user fatigue from having dealt with their bs for many years is mounting, people have been searching for viable alternatives.

Adobe won't go down any time soon because they have fingers in too many pies, but this does create a lot more breathing room for smaller ones, as well as individuals.

>>10622
>adobe has nothing unique that you cant do with FOSS software
After Effects has no direct alternative for one. 
And it's not just that, there is decades' worth of experience, templates, tutorials, tricks as well as users who wouldn't want to jump ship because they need results, not source code.

>krita is a suitable replacement for photoshop as a drawing program
You're obviously well-aware that photoshop is used for more than just drawing, just must have forgotten about it because it's not your direct use case. But for many people it is. 
Idk how well krita fares on that front. Probably alright. Only gave it a quick glance because there seemed to be no advantages for using that over an already installed cracked photoshop, but at least it seemed to be more feature-complete and comprehensive than g*mp (D*d have mercy on that abomination).
> darktable for photo editing
Tried a couple of years ago.
First of all, the lightroom catalog could not be directly imported. That means if you have over a decade's worth of photos numbering in the six digits, curated, marked, organized into collections you are SOL. That makes migrating a pain. Someone would have to build a bridge app for that (assuming they haven't yet; at least google says that direct import is impossible and only some of the metadata can be moved).
Could've been an issue of taste or having to tweak the default profile (assuming a one-size-fits-all solution could be found at all) but it did seemed to render raws unpleasantly.

FWIW, the vibecoded clone did open the catalog just fine but did not import the adjustments like crop, color correction, spot removal, masks etc. 
Having to re-export the entire catalog's worth of photos with metadata embedded just to migrate seems like too much of a step at this point, but if someone can figure out how to skip this step it's these decompiler guys.

>pdfs get libredraw for edit
Oh no, it's atrocious for anything but the most basic tasks. Illustrator mogs it completely.

>librewolf for viewing. 
A...web browser? I mean, it does get the job done but  sure, it can view pdf files. There are dedicated pdf viewers but a browser is technically good enough. It could be anything really then, waterfox is no worse for that.

Also as of a couple of years ago there was no proper alternative to indesign. The closest thing available was some miserable tiny unwieldly program with a UI stuck in the 2000s. Scribe or something.

Before I forget, never used adobe bridge in earnest but, say, passing a motion graphics object from AE straight to Pr is definitely convenient.

>the only people still using adobe for anything are retarded old people who are too set in their ways to jump to free software
When the company pays for the software, why would you bother migrating and relearning? 
Finally, adding to all the previous points, unlike FOSS programs Adobe offers licensing for fonts, cloud backups etc etc out of the box, so they have that going for them. When you have a crew of lawyers breathing down your neck and little time to spare it makes a considerable difference.

Again, moving away from Adobe (or at least making them wake the hell up and fix their jeetshit) does sound great, it's just that before someone started remaking their *Suite* and making it open source the alternatives weren't there.
>not feature complete
>can't migrate files and archives well in some cases
>no licensing protection
>no wide adoption in the professional scene
>each alternative is its own program that you have to find among the alternatives (red herrings of poop like g*mp), often with its own UI/UX logic, whereas Adobe is more or less unified
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>>10623
>After Effects has no direct alternative for one. 
Pretty sure there is one now. I think it's called Friction and it's QT based, so it'll fit in snugly with Kdenlive and Krita.

I tried it one time and it was quite good.
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>>10628
Looked it up; judging by the videos showcasing its features (most are dated ca.1year ago so something may have changed) it does have *some* of the features AE does but also lacks others and does not offer anything that AE can't handle (especially if we account for countless user-made extensions). In fact, like half of the features displayed could be accomplished in Premiere Pro. Maybe the authors of those videos just weren't showing off the really advanced stuff, but by all accounts Friction only focuses on 2d effects (mostly vector), whereas AE does advanced particles, 3d with all sorts of camera tricks etc. It's just more feature rich.
On top of that, it has legacy in the form large numbers plugins and templates (both usually paid-only, of course, if available outside of the company they were created by/for) in spades.

A competitor would have to offer something either truly groundbreaking or be compatible with those things. Kind of like Krita (partially) supports .psd files.
That's the whole impetus behind the reverse engineered Adobe hype, it seems to offer some backwards compatibility out of the box which could help with moving over from those proprietary apps. If we really want to stop Adobe without that the solution is for universities and colleges to drop Adobe and focus on FOSS alternatives instead. But no employer will require knowledge of GIMP over Photoshop so why would they?

Figma now does animations too (and has ai slop integration that you can tell what should be animated and how) and if it does not currently offer everything Friction does, I wouldn't be surprised if, given their budget and rate of development they wouldn't overtake them very soon. All for a "reasonable" price of 20 bucks a month or whatever they're asking for their basic subscription. AND it's all in the cloud so you can't really pirate it (though theoretically you can still copy everything they do and handle in-house collabs by self-hosting a server).
>>10603 (OP) 
I'd much prefer that people support the currently existing libreware projects out in the world. I think it's a far more stable way to go about it. 
Although I do revel in Silicon Valley getting screwed over much like how it has been screwing us over.
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>>10630
Hard agree, imagine if all this time/money/tokens went into Krita or GIMP to make them even better instead of yet another slop project that will be abandoned in a month
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>>10631
abandoned software is a real problem in free software. so many projects are made just to pad some fucktard's portfolio so they can get a FAANG job or some shit and they never update it and it doesn't build /compile anymore because the portfolioware has already served its purpose
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